just put in a update server tha seems to be working as long as your a local admin on the box. if your are a non-admin if you run firefox -console you will see that it does a check to see if you can write to program files\mozilla. being a regualar user doesnt have rights the updates never download. is there some work around for this?? (besides granting permission) we have a program beyond trust that allows us to elevate software so the updater.exe will run as a regular users but beign the updates dont download it doesnt get that far.