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Freeze when manipulating email in one folder only, since Nebula

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Hi everyone,

Long time, happy TB user and supporter. A new problem has appeared with nebula that I am hoping that the experts here can help me troubleshoot.

When any operation is performed on the emails in one particular account's Inbox folder, there is a 3-5 second pause where TB freezes. For example, when I try to open an email, I see a blank email tab with `Loading Message...` for a few seconds, before the email shows; when I toggle the read status for an email in the folder by clicking on the gray/green icon, there is a few seconds' delay. During this pause I can hear my CPU fan speed up, so seems like there is a spike in CPU usage. After a few minutes, these delays go away, but then reappear at some point (even though TB has been open the entire time) - possibly after new email has been downloaded from the server.

My overall suspicion is that something in this particular folder's files is triggering Nebula. I need help figuring out what it is and fixing it. This is not bad enough for me to ditch TB but it's definitely annoying AF. Strange part is that it appeared only after the Nebula upgrade, which makes me think this is a code issue not a mailbox file issue.

Setup

  1. Thunderbird 128.3.3esr (64-bit) on Windows 11 23H2
  2. Multiple mailbox accounts, all using POP3 (not IMAP; there is no interaction between TB and the server other than downloading email). Had not changed any settings during the nebula upgrade
  3. The account in question has multiple folders in TB. Filters are used to move messages from the Inbox to different folders (and sometimes, to folders on other accounts). Again, the slow performance is only on the single, Inbox folder in one account, and not any of the other folders or other accounts.
  4. Profile files are on a very fast SSD. I have not been able to detect a peak in disk usage when the pause happens.
  5. The affected folder has 32K emails in it, size on disk 1.5G (+27M for `.msf` file). I have another folder which is 3.1G+20M, that one does not have this problem.

Here's what I have tried, with no changes

  1. Compact all mailboxes
  2. Repair folder for all folders/subfolders
  3. Delete the GLODA to force a rebuild
  4. Troubleshooting mode
  5. Watching the console in developer tools (no relevant errors appear)
  6. Turning on `browser.dom.window.dump.enabled` - no significant errors appear
  7. Turning off hardware acceleration
  8. Updating graphics card drivers
  9. Ensuring that the TB profile folder and windows temp folder is not being indexed by Windows search
  10. Checking the filter logs - no errors

Any suggestions or tips on how to gather more data, are welcome. Thanks!

Hi everyone, Long time, happy TB user and supporter. A new problem has appeared with nebula that I am hoping that the experts here can help me troubleshoot. When any operation is performed on the emails in one particular account's Inbox folder, there is a 3-5 second pause where TB freezes. For example, when I try to open an email, I see a blank email tab with `Loading Message...` for a few seconds, before the email shows; when I toggle the read status for an email in the folder by clicking on the gray/green icon, there is a few seconds' delay. During this pause I can hear my CPU fan speed up, so seems like there is a spike in CPU usage. After a few minutes, these delays go away, but then reappear at some point (even though TB has been open the entire time) - possibly after new email has been downloaded from the server. My overall suspicion is that ''something in this particular folder's files is triggering Nebula''. I need help figuring out what it is and fixing it. This is not bad enough for me to ditch TB but it's definitely annoying AF. Strange part is that it appeared only after the Nebula upgrade, which makes me think this is a code issue not a mailbox file issue. '''Setup''' # Thunderbird 128.3.3esr (64-bit) on Windows 11 23H2 # Multiple mailbox accounts, all using POP3 (not IMAP; there is no interaction between TB and the server other than downloading email). Had not changed any settings during the nebula upgrade # The account in question has multiple folders in TB. Filters are used to move messages from the Inbox to different folders (and sometimes, to folders on other accounts). Again, the slow performance is only on the single, Inbox folder in one account, and not any of the other folders or other accounts. # Profile files are on a very fast SSD. I have not been able to detect a peak in disk usage when the pause happens. # The affected folder has 32K emails in it, size on disk 1.5G (+27M for `.msf` file). I have another folder which is 3.1G+20M, that one does not have this problem. '''Here's what I have tried, with no changes''' # Compact all mailboxes # Repair folder for all folders/subfolders # Delete the GLODA to force a rebuild # Troubleshooting mode # Watching the console in developer tools (no relevant errors appear) # Turning on `browser.dom.window.dump.enabled` - no significant errors appear # Turning off hardware acceleration # Updating graphics card drivers # Ensuring that the TB profile folder and windows temp folder is not being indexed by Windows search # Checking the filter logs - no errors Any suggestions or tips on how to gather more data, are welcome. Thanks!

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Create an exception in your anti-virus software for the Thunderbird profile folder, so that the anti-virus real-time scanner will not scan it. https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/profiles-where-thunderbird-stores-user-data#w_how-to-find-your-profile

And reducing the size of your Inbox would be a good idea too.

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Create an exception in your anti-virus software for the Thunderbird profile folder, so that the anti-virus real-time scanner will not scan it. https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/profiles-where-thunderbird-stores-user-data#w_how-to-find-your-profile

And reducing the size of your Inbox would be a good idea too.

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Thank you for the excellent suggestion. Adding the file `<profile folder>\Mail\<acct name>\Inbox` to the AV exclusions list seems to have solved the problem. I did not have to exclude the entire folder, nor the associated `.msf` file.

It does concern me though that this is a security risk, given that email is a frequent vector for malware. Does the "Allow antivirus clients to quarantine individual incoming messages" still provide protection against this?

I'm not certain that this was a size issue, as I have another mailbox folder that is 3.1GB, is not excluded from AV, and has no slowness/freezing issues. Also, I wonder what changed in Nebula that surfaced this problem.

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It does concern me though that this is a security risk, given that email is a frequent vector for malware.

For scanning of incoming messages, as Thunderbird does not execute scripts in the body of emails, getting malware is very difficult from opening a mail.

Getting malware from an attachment is a different issue and quite possible, but before an attachment can be opened, it has to be decoded (from MIME) and a copy placed in the systems temp folder for Thunderbird or the opening application to use. When that file is created it will be scanned by your anti virus product, or so they claim. So while there are some minor risk with incoming mail, you should not get infected by just mail opening.

Does the "Allow antivirus clients to quarantine individual incoming messages" still provide protection against this?

The idea is primarily to avoid anti-virus software corrupting Thunderbird mail files. But if traffic in these support forums is anything to go by, a very significant proportion of mail issues are actually caused by the anti-virus products that are supposed to be protecting you.

I'm not certain that this was a size issue, as I have another mailbox folder that is 3.1GB, is not excluded from AV, and has no slowness/freezing issues.

Inbox is most susceptible to corruption. The file changes every time a message is received. And your ant-virus software will scan your 1.5GB Inbox file every single time. In doing so it blocks Thunderbird to access it, and eventually corrupts it in the process to quarantine a supposedly harmful message. Other mail files may not frequently being being scanned by anti-virus software and hence are less likely to become corrupted.

Also, I wonder what changed in Nebula that surfaced this problem.

The problem is primarily anti-virus software, not Thunderbird. However, there was a problem in TB128 were compacting folders could cause corruption for IMAP accounts. This is supposed to be fixed in TB 128.3.3.

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I appreciate the response and the solution. I respectfully submit that this is not *entirely* an antivirus problem. The other, 3.1GB mailbox file that I refer to, is also an `Inbox` for a different account. It is not excluded from AV scanning, and it works well.

Secondly, I have had the same mailbox files/folders for years and the problem between TB and AV appeared only after the Nebula upgrade. So while I agree that the freeze is not TB's "fault", I suggest that there is something in the new TB code that is causing adverse interactions with the AV software, that was not present in the previous version. I only raise this as something to be considered by the devs in the future, as a potential symptom of a bigger problem. This is a POP connection, not IMAP and I am already on TB 128.3.3.

Thank you for the perspective on malware infection via email, this is helpful. For now, I will continue to have the relevant file excluded from AV scanning but hope to have a better solution in the future.

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